. >> now, let's shift to fiscal cliff. i want to talk to you about what another of your colleagues, tom coburn from oklahoma, had to say on morning joe about what should and should not be in the budget negotiations. let's play that and we'll come back and talk about it. >> i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do. actually i'd rather see the rates go up than do it the other way because it gives us greater chance to reform the tax code and broaden the base in the future. >> he would rather see rates go up than closing loopholes, reforming the tax code at the moment. do you agree with that stance from senator coburn? >> i agree we need increased revenue. our biggest problem is the spending issue. revenue is on the table but our big of the problem as a nation is the spending. we continue to spend too much, borrow too much. now the president wants unlimited and unchecked, unauthorized ability to raise the debt ceiling without having congress involved, though the constitution, article i, section 8, s